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bhavv · Mar 04, 2011, 08:26 AM // 08:26

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Originally Posted by spray04

This is what I'm running now, it's beautiful lol. Even threw a couple of pets in to add to the zerging.

Yea thats similar to mine, its pretty much insta win with no difficulty at all.

I dont need as many heals on my heroes though because I play E/Mo.

Saru The Boss · Mar 04, 2011, 08:27 AM // 08:27

2x Esurge (or 1 and a panic Mes, depends on the area.)
3x Defile/Desecrate necros. (SS/FoC[<3])
1x SoS/Splinter.
1x Healzor. (HB/ER prot+infoose.)

Sharkinu · Mar 04, 2011, 08:30 AM // 08:30

Sab-way necros(never liked Discord), SoS rit, SoGM rit, Earthshaker warrior and Panic mesmer with fallback. I love it

distilledwill · Mar 04, 2011, 09:31 AM // 09:31

This'um.

apoggy · Mar 04, 2011, 09:33 AM // 09:33

2 vanquishes so far, easy as pie

Tyris Requiem · Mar 04, 2011, 01:46 PM // 13:46

Oops I broke the game.

Anaraky · Mar 04, 2011, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by turbo234

because discord + the additional hexes and spells like putrid bile do aoe as well as having a hella lot(20-30) minions while laughing and rolling your face across the keyboard. not to mention discord takes everything down in less than a second. oh and you still have about 4-5 skill slots per hero for utility and support.

The thing is, Putrid bile and so forth isn't exclusive to Discord. Bringing Discord not only takes up an Elite slot but also decrease the power of the rest of the bar due to the amount of casting the heroes have to do to actually put Discord to decent use. This would be fine if Discord in itself was powerful, but if you start looking at things it really isn't. It is conditional, it requires constant casting and its DPS isn't that good. It is a good spike skill, but that's about it. It is horrendously overrated due to it giving the player an illusion of power when you spike someone down fast. At the end of the line a well put together non-discord group will be more efficient.

OT: I've been running a SoS Rit/SoGM Rit/Curser+Blood Nec/MB Nec/Healing Burst Monk/2xSmiters+Prots Monks on my Warrior. The damage has a ramp up time but once you get going the only thing stopping that setup is a heavy AoE spike. Anything else will be rolled due to the overwhelming amount of minions and spirits coupled with great AoE healing due to Dwayna's Sorrow, Blood Bond and Heaven's Delight.

Avison · Mar 04, 2011, 03:00 PM // 15:00

Discord these days isnt as conditional as some skills. Some hexes literally leave a condition and with me running a ebon dust derviwh and having two mesmers in my group i literally dont have to do anything it just happens. But personally I'm not a fan myself but a little discord can only help but too many is just silly.

I'm running:
1 Ebon Dust Derv or AoG+GA Derv
3 slots standard sabway
1 signet of ghostly might ritualist
1 signet of spirits spammer
1 psychic instability mesmer
1 paragon for whatever utility or partial imbagon i want

Anaraky · Mar 04, 2011, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by Avison

Discord these days isnt as conditional as some skills. Some hexes literally leave a condition and with me running a ebon dust derviwh and having two mesmers in my group i literally dont have to do anything it just happens. But personally I'm not a fan myself but a little discord can only help but too many is just silly.

I agree that putting the conditions up isn't a problem, the problem begins when the enemies tear them down. But this thread really isn't the place to discuss Discord and its pros and cons, sorry for making an issue out of it.

Daesu · Mar 04, 2011, 04:28 PM // 16:28

I have to ask: Has anyone completed full UW with 7 heroes yet?

Nemesis of God · Mar 04, 2011, 04:38 PM // 16:38

The real question is what DOES NOT work?

Jerec The Raven · Mar 04, 2011, 05:07 PM // 17:07

I got one basic SS, with hex heavy. One ineptitude, one VoR, one ER Backline, one ROJ monk, one UA monk, one prot rit, and one BM(me).

Showtime · Mar 04, 2011, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon

3 ROJ monks with 40/40
3 AoTl necros all superior runed
WOH monk

flag around and stuff Xplodedes

3 AoTL seems to be a waste, but I'll have to try it.

I use to like making armies, but with a bunch of pets and 20+ high level minions the party wasn't as mobile as I liked. Minions lagged. Had to micro AoTL/Death Nova and seemed like the minions always got there late.

Surprised at how little love ROJ gets even though it's faster than discord and works great with spirits and minions.

I made a 6 man team for a vq and kept going into 8 man areas.

My ROJ aka HOT KNIFE through Butter team:
Ranger/Rit SOS w/Battle Standard Vamp & Summon spirit
Mesmer PI Hero
Nec/Monk RoJ w Shamblin
Nec/Monk RoJ w minions death nova
Monk/Ele RoJ /Prots
Monk/Ele HB

Lots of KD with PI, bane sigs, etc. Several copies of smite Hex/condition. 2 x's Aegis. Everything is aimed to keep us moving and doing damage. This build is fairly mobile and fun. Just run in set or pull spirits. Aggro and battle standard/painful bond/Armor of unfeeling. Could add dual paras, 2 more rojs, SOGM rit (meh), frontline w more healing/prots.

Miteshu · Mar 04, 2011, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by Rites

lol

2 barrage rangers, 3 volley paragons, 1 weapons rit, 1 MM with SoS

i'm sleeping here, things are dying so fast i dont need a healer

Could I get a build please?

macke · Mar 04, 2011, 05:53 PM // 17:53

I, Dragon Slash, SY spam, Sab, One Invoke Lighting Ele, One Earth Ele whit few wards, Impetitude Me, One Smite Monk. No need for monk healer :P Tho i am thinking of dropin' SS for one more Air or Water ele just for fun

Way to easy :/

I' am going to try next team whit 8 pets, that must be fun! xD

da mahius · Mar 04, 2011, 07:01 PM // 19:01

I would really like to see a lot of Non-Discordway builds. Most builds here aren't specified...
E.g. HB Monk
...nothing else, you could specify what exact build. For Example here is what I am running (I'm still experimenting)
Me - SoS (PvXWiki Build)
MoW - Sabway Resto (See 3 -Necro HM Sticky on this section)
Livia - Sabway Curse (See 3 -Necro HM Sticky on this section)
Olias - Sabway MM (See 3 -Necro HM Sticky on this section)
Razah - SoGM/Resto (Not really useful for two roles at once won't post build)
Koss - DSlash War (w/ Sever Artery, Gash, Silverwing Slash, FGJ, not complete)
Goren - Earthshaker (PvXWiki Build)
Jora - Not Sure... Same as Koss with a few tactics skills

I'm open to Advice on changing this, though I'd like to keep the Sabway and My own Build. I might put in a Panic Mesmer (PvXWiki Build) or a Barrage Ranger (PvX Wiki Build).

I like the fact that you can specialize your whole team for specific missions/areas/dungeons. E.g. A lot of Fire Nuker Eles and Fire Barrage Rangers for Secret Lair of the Snowmen.

Anaraky · Mar 04, 2011, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by da mahius

I would really like to see a lot of Non-Discordway builds. Most builds here aren't specified...
E.g. HB Monk
...nothing else, you could specify what exact build. For Example here is what I am running (I'm still experimenting)
Me - SoS (PvXWiki Build)
MoW - Sabway Resto (See 3 -Necro HM Sticky on this section)
Livia - Sabway Curse (See 3 -Necro HM Sticky on this section)
Olias - Sabway MM (See 3 -Necro HM Sticky on this section)
Razah - SoGM/Resto (Not really useful for two roles at once won't post build)
Koss - DSlash War (w/ Sever Artery, Gash, Silverwing Slash, FGJ, not complete)
Goren - Earthshaker (PvXWiki Build)
Jora - Not Sure... Same as Koss with a few tactics skills

I'm open to Advice on changing this, though I'd like to keep the Sabway and My own Build. I might put in a Panic Mesmer (PvXWiki Build) or a Barrage Ranger (PvX Wiki Build).

I like the fact that you can specialize your whole team for specific missions/areas/dungeons. E.g. A lot of Fire Nuker Eles and Fire Barrage Rangers for Secret Lair of the Snowmen.

Your setup seems solid enough in my eyes, but I personally would probably want either more prots or more AoE healing. Sample builds;

E/Mo ER as per PvX
Mo/Me Healing Burst with Dwayna's Sorrow (has great synergy with the Minion Bomber). Check out either "Generic Healer" on PvX or the "Healing burst hero" thread on these forums for builds.
Dwayna's Derv (check out the "Let's abuse some Dervishes" thread).

Going any of the above instead of a Warrior would also allow your SoGM Rit to be more focused on spamming spirits instead of healing.

Bringing a Panic mesmer is probably a good choice in most areas as well.

My 2c.

Teino · Mar 04, 2011, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Tyris Requiem

Oops I broke the game.

could I have the attributes for those heros?

Kunder · Mar 04, 2011, 08:20 PM // 20:20

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Originally Posted by Kunder

So I did DoA HM and almost fell asleep, until Gloom where I lost because I forgot about 50% miss chance and didn't have asuran scan...

Me as R/W Barrage/SY/EBSoH
2x MM <- actually maintained 10/11 minions each most of the time, I was impressed.
1x SoS/SW/Rest rit <- 16 channeling for rape weapon
1x ST rit <-shelter is cool, other then that this build was just random stuff I threw together. Not that it was bad, but it was probably sub optimal.
1x Panic mesmer <- lol interrupts, wastrel's is also awesome damage.
1x OoP/DF/MoP Necro <- because sometimes, splinter weapon just isn't enough. Also OoP lets me hit well over 100 damage per shot with barrage.
1x Healing Burst monk <- Need at least 1 healer for the hardest area of the game, I think.

Started out in foundry, triple aggroed in the third room and still no one died. BTW: panic in there on all the enemies AND multiple allies along with the minions is funny is hell, everything just starts twitching like crazy.

Gotta say that switching out the 2nd MM for a Keystone Signet mesmer is going really nicely in lower corpse areas and especially areas with blocking (see: Stygian Veil/Gloom). Slightly less impressive amounts of loleasymode steamrolled Margonites, though. Trying to incorporate an AoD Derv with support heals, but the AI just doesn't seem to be reliable and its too much to micro for the harder battles. Would go for it myself but my Derv is still so damn far from DoA...

Me:Barrage/Distracting Shot/Save Yourselves/Ebon Battle Standard of Honor/For Great Justice/Serpent's Quickness/Antidote Signet/Optional PvE slot
MM: AotL/Masochism/Animate Bone Fiend/Blood of the Master/Dark Bone/Aegis/Protective Spirit/Signet of Lost Souls
SoS:Splinter Weapon/Ancestor's Rage/Signet of Spirits/Mend Body and Soul/Spirit Light/Protective was Kaolai/Siphon Spirit/Signet of Creation
ST: Soul Twisting/Recuperation/Shelter/Armor of Unfeeling/Mend Body and Soul/Spirit Light/Protective Was Kaolai/Boon of Creation
Panic:Panic/Wastrel's Demise/Mistrust/Channeling/Waste Not, Want Not/Power Drain/Hex Eater Signet/Flesh of my Flesh
Keystone:Keystone Signet/Symbolic Celerity/Mantra of Inscriptions/Unnatural Signet/Signet of Clumsiness/Signet of Deadly Corruption/Hex Eater Signet/Signet of Distraction
Blood/Curse:Cultist's Fervor/Mark of Pain/Order of Pain/Dark Fury/Blood Bond/Meekness/Enfeebling Blood/Blood Ritual
HB:Healing Burst/Dwayna's Kiss/Shielding Hands/Aegis/Cure Hex/Spirit Bond/Power Drain/Leech Signet

LifeInfusion · Mar 04, 2011, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by spray04

This is what I'm running now, it's beautiful lol. Even threw a couple of pets in to add to the zerging.

interesting setup

Re: commandagons
I'm pleasantly surprised to see paragons being used. Apparently people acknowledge that they're not that bad (if they run command). GFTE is 1.4x damage on all your minions after all (critical hit). Since most of the time I spend vanquishing is looking for the last mob (lol 30 min VQ and 1 hour looking for 1 group), I prefer fallback +GFTE with high command over another damage dealer.

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Originally Posted by Kunder

HB:Healing Burst/Dwayna's Kiss/Shielding Hands/Aegis/Cure Hex/Spirit Bond/Power Drain/Leech Signet

How do you get the prot spec (especially for Spirit bond/Aegis/Shielding Hands which all need it to be pretty high)?
11+1+1 heal
9+1 DF (=8HP/sec ~4 regen)
9+1 Prot
6 Inspir
is the best I can do (or drop prot to 8+1, up DF by 1).

13 on shielding hands, +80 on Spirit bond, 9s on Aegis (9spec is all that's needed)
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@OP:

Right now I'm doing 6 man zones in Tyria but when I did 8 man zones on my monk I used a balanced team, just for the sake of balanced:
1 Mesmer w/ Panic
2 Rit SoS hybrid w/ spirit Light
3 Necro AoTL Minion bomber w/ prot spirit+SoA
4 Paragon w/ Fall back, Stand your ground, gfte , wild throw
5 Dervish with Avatar of dwayna, meditation, flash enchants, dark fury
6 Ranger barrage, d-shot, sloth hunter, etc.
7 Monk UA+DH+HD +gift+deny+SOA+dismiss (disabled) 14DF, 10 Heal, 10 prot / Healing Burst 13Heal,13 DF

too bad I can't use Ele, ...or assassin, warrior in melee

gfte has synergy with the 2 physicals + 10-11 minions

If I wasn't limiting myself to one of each I'd run another Mesmer with Illusion or Keystone. SOGM rit is too slow (some spirits are on 45 recharge) and unlike SoS you need a whole bar to do it. SoS + bloodsong need a total of 2.5 seconds (1+0.75 aftercast +0.75) whereas SOGM needs ~6-7 seconds of setup time.

A ST rit is an option over Minion bomber in low corpse areas. Could probably also swap monk out for a smiter's boon guy (for judge's insight barrage fun).